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Kurdish "moon" and "month"

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zimanzan's picture
Joined: 16 Sep 2008


Northern Kirmanjí "heyv"/"hív"/"heyf" and Zaza "ashme"/"asme" (dialectal change of "sh" > "s") share the same root interestingly. The root is exactly a Middle Persian combination of Old Iranian "eushe-"* and "meh-" which appears in "ayíshm". Also entered in Talyshi as "ovíshm" (apparently Talyshi is apt to change "-y-" into "-v-" sporadically: ove < ave* < aye* < hage* ~ egg). It initially becomes "heyshm"* in Northern Kirmanjí and then the middle "-sh-" disappears (a frequent change in Kirmanjí Kurdish). So it forms "heym" which further undergoes the characteristic change of Kirmanjí "-m" > "-v": "heyv".

But the Southern and Central Kirmanjí as well as Goraní group represent "mang", "meng", and "mong" (dialectal change of "a" > "o", specifically in Lekí and Ílamí). Also Goraní group "mang". All of these are derived from Old Iranian "mawng-" in the exact meaning of "moon". Also archaic Gilaki (Daylami poetry) "mang" ~ "moon".

I think "mang" is the most proper Kirmanjí word to be picked as the Standard word for "moon".


Northern Kirmanjí "meh" and occasionally "heyv", while Zaza "menge", Goraní "mang", and Central/Southern Kirmanjí "mang" (archaic "me", like in "Reshe-me" ~ literally "Black-month"). Surprisingly Zaza uses the same Central and Southern word with a pronunciation pretty close to that of Kelhúrí Kurdish. However both "mang"/"menge" and "heyv" originally mean "moon" not "month". Such a confounding significance also appears in most modern Iranian languages (e.g. Persian "mah" ~ "month"/"moon").

But the predominant Northern Kirmanjí "meh" from Old Iranian "meh-" ~ "month" stays in its accurate place and for sure deserves to be speculated as Standard Kirmanjí Kurdish word for "month".

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Joined: 21 Aug 2008
A question: is the example

A question: is the example "mawng" from Avesta or from which language is this? I need it for a project of me.